Alinco DR600 received from Ken Howe, KB8YPY, on October 30, 2002
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I would call it about a 4 out of 10.
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On the left is the top cover, left rear. Note the Rust and corrosion. On the right is the bottom cover. |
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| This is the top cover front left corner. Note the rust and corrosion which wraps around inside the corner. | |
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On the left is the bottom cover, left rear corner. On the right is the top cover, left rear corner. |
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| This is the top cover, front left corner. | |
| Both top and bottom covers looking at the left inside of both. | |
| Top cover, front inside, rust in both corners and all along the front edge. | |
| Face plate, left side showing the rust deposited there from the covers. | |
| This is the left side of the chassis showing extensive corrosion. There appears to have been some attempt to scrape some of the corrosion away. | |
| Chassis, left side rear, viewed from the bottom. The entire side of the chassis is corroded. | |
| Another view of the bottom left corner of the chassis showing corrosion going down inside. | |
| This is the top left corner of the chassis showing the corrosion there. |
From: "ken howe" kb8ypy at pathwaynet dot com To: w4zt Subject: RE: alinco Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:50:53 -0500 Well this is new to me! Like I said in the auction I took it to the local teck and he said all is well and never said anything about it being wet, are u sure its not just normal stuff from age....I said it look like a 8 because it does I never had the cover off so I have no Idea what that looks like! So will 20.00 back make u happy??I don't open radios if they work I don't worry about them if they fail I send them in and that is far as I go -----Original Message----- From: UW Tony King w4zt Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:59 AM To: ken Howe Subject: RE: alinco Importance: High Received the radio today. I must say I am disappointed. This isn't an 8 out of 10 radio. You failed to point out the obvious rust on the case indicating the radio had been wet. Removing the covers reveals a significant amount of corrosion inside. Though the radio appears to work, it's value due to the corrosion is certainly impacted and I feel you should have disclosed that in your auction. Tony At 04:31 PM 10/28/2002, you wrote: >Mailed out the package today should be there in 2 to 3 days.... > >-----Original Message----- >From: UW Tony King w4zt >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:00 PM >To: ken Howe >Subject: RE: alinco > >Sounds good... Paypal works for me... I see you accept it so payment is on >the way. > >Tony > >At 05:07 PM 10/23/2002, you wrote: > >Radio is 225.00 plus 14.10 for usps total 239.10... what method of payment > >were you going to use?? Usps is priority mail and insured > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: UW Tony King w4zt > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:45 AM > >To: ken Howe > >Subject: RE: alinco > > > >Ken, > >Ok, then go with the post office :) > > > >Tony > > > >At 10:51 AM 10/23/2002, you wrote: > > >Can do ups but up here in the boondocks, when I have shipped before ups >or > > >locals don't have the machine for tracking yet and they use old hand >method > > >but will get a price both ways > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: UW Tony King w4zt > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:31 AM > > >To: ken Howe > > >Subject: Re: alinco > > > > > >Ken, > > > > > >I would prefer UPS if it's all the same to you. Tracking is a good >thing. > > > > > >Tony, WA4UPE > > > > > >At 10:07 AM 10/23/2002, you wrote: > > > > > > >will go to post office today and find out shipping charges and will >email > > > >this afternoon to you the total due! will also add the insurance on the > > > >radio..... > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > >Ken
From: "ken howe" kb8ypy at pathwaynet dot com To: "UW Tony King" w4zt Subject: RE: alinco Date: Wed, 30 Oct 2002 19:52:53 -0500 With your email you sent me a virus! Just spent the last 3 hours fixing it!! -----Original Message----- From: UW Tony King w4zt Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:59 AM To: ken howe Subject: RE: alinco Importance: High Received the radio today. I must say I am disappointed. This isn't an 8 out of 10 radio. You failed to point out the obvious rust on the case indicating the radio had been wet. Removing the covers reveals a significant amount of corrosion inside. Though the radio appears to work, it's value due to the corrosion is certainly impacted and I feel you should have disclosed that in your auction. Tony At 04:31 PM 10/28/2002, you wrote: >Mailed out the package today should be there in 2 to 3 days.... > >-----Original Message----- >From: UW Tony King w4zt >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:00 PM >To: ken howe >Subject: RE: alinco > >Sounds good... PayPal works for me... I see you accept it so payment is on >the way. > >Tony > >At 05:07 PM 10/23/2002, you wrote: > >Radio is 225.00 plus 14.10 for usps total 239.10... what method of payment > >were you going to use?? Usps is priority mail and insured > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: UW Tony King w4zt > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:45 AM > >To: ken howe > >Subject: RE: alinco > > > >Ken, > >Ok, then go with the post office :) > > > >Tony > > > >At 10:51 AM 10/23/2002, you wrote: > > >Can do ups but up here in the boondocks, when I have shipped before ups >or > > >locals don't have the machine for tracking yet and they use old hand >method > > >but will get a price both ways > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: UW Tony King w4zt > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:31 AM > > >To: ken howe > > >Subject: Re: alinco > > > > > >Ken, > > > > > >I would prefer UPS if it's all the same to you. Tracking is a good >thing. > > > > > >Tony, WA4UPE > > > > > >At 10:07 AM 10/23/2002, you wrote: > > > > > > >will go to post office today and find out shipping charges and will >email > > > >this afternoon to you the total due! will alos add the insurance on the > > > >radio..... > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > >Ken
Ken, This wasn't meant to be a personal attack on you. I'm sorry you appear to have taken it that way. I was trying to help you see that the radio wasn't as you advertised and why. I have taken some pictures which you can see here on my web page: http://w4zt.com/dr600/baddeal.html (was http://w4zt.com/dr600/index.html) I hope these will satisfy you that this is not a simple case of normal wear and tear on the radio. I'll accept the fact that you didn't open the radio and may not have been aware of the internal damage but the rust along the edges should have given you a hint that there was something wrong. Hams usually look closely at any signs of rust on equipment as indicators of exposure to moisture and worth a second look. I think you will agree after seeing these pictures that it was warranted. With regard to your comment about a virus, I don't use Outlook in any form, I use Eudora for email, and I don't send attachments. Symantec provides virus protection. I see from your email that you are running Outlook and you might want to look closer at other email you may have received. Hopefully this clears the air. 73, Tony At 07:50 PM 10/30/2002, you wrote: Well this is new to me! Like I said in the auction I took it to the local teck and he said all is well and never said anything about it being wet, are u sure its not just normal stuff from age....I said it look like a 8 because it does I never had the cover off so I have no Idea what that looks like! So will 20.00 back make u happy??I don't open radios if they work I don't worry about them if they fail I send them in and that is far as I go -----Original Message----- From: UW Tony King w4zt Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:59 AM To: ken Howe Subject: RE: alinco Importance: High Received the radio today. I must say I am disappointed. This isn't an 8 out of 10 radio. You failed to point out the obvious rust on the case indicating the radio had been wet. Removing the covers reveals a significant amount of corrosion inside. Though the radio appears to work, it's value due to the corrosion is certainly impacted and I feel you should have disclosed that in your auction. Tony At 04:31 PM 10/28/2002, you wrote: >Mailed out the package today should be there in 2 to 3 days.... > >-----Original Message----- >From: UW Tony King w4zt >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:00 PM >To: ken Howe >Subject: RE: alinco > >Sounds good... Paypal works for me... I see you accept it so payment is on >the way. > >Tony > >At 05:07 PM 10/23/2002, you wrote: > >Radio is 225.00 plus 14.10 for usps total 239.10... what method of payment > >were you going to use?? Usps is priority mail and insured > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: UW Tony King w4zt > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:45 AM > >To: ken Howe > >Subject: RE: alinco > > > >Ken, > >Ok, then go with the post office :) > > > >Tony > > > >At 10:51 AM 10/23/2002, you wrote: > > >Can do ups but up here in the boondocks, when I have shipped before ups >or > > >locals don't have the machine for tracking yet and they use old hand >method > > >but will get a price both ways > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: UW Tony King w4zt > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:31 AM > > >To: ken Howe > > >Subject: Re: alinco > > > > > >Ken, > > > > > >I would prefer UPS if it's all the same to you. Tracking is a good >thing. > > > > > >Tony, WA4UPE > > > > > >At 10:07 AM 10/23/2002, you wrote: > > > > > > >will go to post office today and find out shipping charges and will >email > > > >this afternoon to you the total due! will also add the insurance on the > > > >radio..... > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > >Ken
From: "kb8ypy" kb8ypy at pathwaynet dot com To: "UW Tony King" wa4upe Subject: Re: alinco Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2002 08:11:19 -0500 ok will do! have lost hardware and a hard drive having all sorts of trouble here ----- Original Message ----- From: "UW Tony King" wa4upe To: "ken howe" kb8ypy at pathwaynet dot com Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 3:17 PM Subject: RE: alinco > Ken, > > I'm not out to take you... I'll accept your original offer. I suggest > that in the future you might look closer at ham gear because you would > expect the same of me or anyone else, especially a ham. The amateur > fraternity does a pretty good job of looking out for its own. > > 73, > Tony > > At 02:04 PM 11/1/2002, you wrote: > >Well my system is back and running so what do you figure you want? As with > >all deals they are as is, but we should come to some compromise, and I will > >take it in the shorts! > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: UW Tony King w4zt > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 9:15 PM > >To: ken howe > >Subject: RE: alinco pictures > > > >Ken, > > > >This wasn't meant to be a personal attack on you. I'm sorry you appear to > >have taken it that way. I was trying to help you see that the radio wasn't > >as you advertised and why. > > > >I have taken some pictures which you can see here on my web page: > > > >http://wa4upe.com/dr600/index.html > > > >I hope these will satisfy you that this is not a simple case of normal wear > >and tear on the radio. I'll accept the fact that you didn't open the radio > >and may not have been aware of the internal damage but the rust along the > >edges should have given you a hint that there was something wrong. > > > >Hams usually look closely at any signs of rust on equipment as indicators > >of exposure to moisture and worth a second look. I think you will agree > >after seeing these pictures that it was warranted. > > > >With regard to your comment about a virus, I don't use Outlook in any form, > >I use Eudora for email, and I don't send attachments. Symantec provides > >virus protection. I see from your email that you are running Outlook and > >you might want to look closer at other email you may have received. > > > >Hopefully this clears the air. > > > >73, > >Tony > > > >At 07:50 PM 10/30/2002, you wrote: > > >Well this is new to me! Like I said in the auction I took it to the local > > >teck and he said all is well and never said anything about it being wet, > >are > > >u sure its not just normal stuff from age....I said it look like a 8 > >because > > >it does I never had the cover off so I have no Idea what that looks like! > > >So will 20.00 back make u happy??I don't open radios if they work I don't > > >worry about them if they fail I send them in and that is far as I go > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > >From: UW Tony King w4zt > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 30, 2002 11:59 AM > > >To: ken Howe > > >Subject: RE: alinco > > >Importance: High > > > > > >Received the radio today. > > > > > >I must say I am disappointed. This isn't an 8 out of 10 radio. You failed > > >to point out the obvious rust on the case indicating the radio had been > > >wet. Removing the covers reveals a significant amount of corrosion inside. > > > > > >Though the radio appears to work, it's value due to the corrosion is > > >certainly impacted and I feel you should have disclosed that in your > > >auction. > > > > > >Tony > > > > > > > > > > > >At 04:31 PM 10/28/2002, you wrote: > > > >Mailed out the package today should be there in 2 to 3 days.... > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > >From: UW Tony King w4zt > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:00 PM > > > >To: ken Howe > > > >Subject: RE: alinco > > > > > > > >Sounds good... Paypal works for me... I see you accept it so payment is > >on > > > >the way. > > > > > > > >Tony > > > > > > > >At 05:07 PM 10/23/2002, you wrote: > > > > >Radio is 225.00 plus 14.10 for usps total 239.10... what method of > > >payment > > > > >were you going to use?? Usps is priority mail and insured > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > >From: UW Tony King w4zt > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:45 AM > > > > >To: ken Howe > > > > >Subject: RE: alinco > > > > > > > > > >Ken, > > > > >Ok, then go with the post office :) > > > > > > > > > >Tony > > > > > > > > > >At 10:51 AM 10/23/2002, you wrote: > > > > > >Can do ups but up here in the boondocks, when I have shipped before > >ups > > > >or > > > > > >locals don't have the machine for tracking yet and they use old hand > > > >method > > > > > >but will get a price both ways > > > > > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- > > > > > >From: UW Tony King w4zt > > > > > >Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:31 AM > > > > > >To: ken Howe > > > > > >Subject: Re: alinco > > > > > > > > > > > >Ken, > > > > > > > > > > > >I would prefer UPS if it's all the same to you. Tracking is a good > > > >thing. > > > > > > > > > > > >Tony, WA4UPE > > > > > > > > > > > >At 10:07 AM 10/23/2002, you wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >will go to post office today and find out shipping charges and will > > > >email > > > > > > >this afternoon to you the total due! will also add the insurance on > > >the > > > > > > >radio..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Ken > >